POLL: What BigBox Frame did you select?

Discussion in 'BigBox General Chat' started by JohnEsc, Sep 4, 2015.

?

What BigBox Frame did you select?

  1. ALL Polar White Acrylic

    29.8%
  2. Polar White with Chili Red (Kickstarter Special) Acrylic

    3.6%
  3. Polar White with Sapphire Blue Acrylic

    7.1%
  4. Polar White with Slate Grey Acrylic

    23.8%
  5. ALL Sapphire Blue Acrylic

    3.6%
  6. Sapphire Blue with Chili Red (Kickstarter Special) Acrylic

    3.6%
  7. ALL Slate Grey Acrylic

    7.1%
  8. Slate Grey with Chili Red (Kickstarter Special) Acrylic

    8.3%
  9. Plywood

    14.3%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. JohnEsc

    JohnEsc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2015
    Messages:
    229
    Likes Received:
    144
  2. thingster

    thingster Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2015
    Messages:
    31
    Likes Received:
    6
    Good ol' plywood as it's much easier to modify, extend, drill, and so on.
     
    Gregory Grubbs likes this.
  3. Colin

    Colin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2015
    Messages:
    83
    Likes Received:
    20
    We never did get that quote on aluminum frames, I understand it wouldn't come by December but I am curious what the cost would be. A few people are seeing about sourcing this themselves, it would be helpful to have a baseline for what a reasonable estimate might be.
     
  4. Tripp

    Tripp Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Messages:
    47
    Likes Received:
    0
    For over 1k, shouldn't it already come with aluminum? I mean don't get me wrong, it's an okay price, but they act like the price is so incredible. The r1+ comes pre assembled for 800, has a very nice build volume and has a great auto bed level.

    Plus, isn't acrylic the worst material to use? Like I thought wood was better.
     
  5. theTroll527

    theTroll527 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2015
    Messages:
    100
    Likes Received:
    17
    What is wrong with acrylic?
     
  6. Tripp

    Tripp Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Messages:
    47
    Likes Received:
    0
    Isn't that what all the super cheap i3's are made of and they eventually warp?
     
  7. TstarkEngineering

    TstarkEngineering Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2016
    Messages:
    450
    Likes Received:
    120
    anyways... I got an all white one, I figured a lot of people would choose that. I think a lime green and white combo would look quite cool.
     
    #7 TstarkEngineering, Feb 4, 2016
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2016
  8. UlrichKliegis

    UlrichKliegis Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2015
    Messages:
    187
    Likes Received:
    47
    Unfortunately, the plywood housing was no option for the dual pro sewpa dewpa Box during the KS campaign, iirc.
    Otherwise I would likely have chosen that. Ygwypf.
     
  9. Mike Kelly

    Mike Kelly Volunteer

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2014
    Messages:
    444
    Likes Received:
    89
    The R1+'s build volume is only 8.2"x8.2"x8 in the heated area. The bed leveling is also awful, completely unreliable and causes so many users headaches. I hated it so I put in an dual IR sensor like what's on the bigbox.

    It prints fine when you get a good first layer, but man that first layer can be a complete pain in the ass. Especially when your offset shifts every other day.

    Also for 1k you won't find any printer of this scale or design with metal anything. Even the Ultimaker uses a DiBond frame to save on costs since that's cheaper than aluminum. Even that the comparison strength is very similar.

    Wood is good because of the way the fibers are both flexible and rigid to different directions of stress. Acrylic is good because it has less flex. But there's a reason that wood is so popular and why Ultimaker still sells the 1 with it's wood frame. Granted some very humid environments are hard on plywood so you need to be sure to seal it.

    It should also be noted that Acrylic is not one particular thing. It's a catch all name for a variety of different chemical compositions in the same family. For example BigBox chose Perspex, the leading brand and the best quality stuff. Sure you can crack it if you try, but if you're careful and do things properly you'll end up with a very strong frame.
     
  10. Tripp

    Tripp Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Messages:
    47
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thank you for the last part man. That's really what I was curious about. I figured they probably used an acrylic that's better than those Chinese ones. I just always heard acrylic is the worst. As far as metal, I mean I will say that the Wanhao i3 has it, and it's just 400, but I'm really not trying to be argumentative. If the acrylic is good, that's awesome.

    As far as the Robo, it's now like 11x10x9 or something like that. I will say that maybe you had an earlier model because I loved my robo's auto level. Maybe I didn't know how good it could be though? I just know I almost never had to worry about first layer though. Unfortunately, I had to sell it at the time and that's why I'm in the market again.
     
  11. R Design

    R Design Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2015
    Messages:
    918
    Likes Received:
    183
    I took polar white because:

    a) I want to look at the prints and not the printer;

    b) A plain vanilla choice might have been faster for delivery, had a backer number system been not implemented..... ;-)
     
  12. Kanedias

    Kanedias Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2015
    Messages:
    406
    Likes Received:
    124
    I initially had chilli red highlights then changed my mind. Sort of wish I hadn't now having seen how good it looks when built. Oh well.
     
    Miasmictruth likes this.
  13. Miasmictruth

    Miasmictruth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2015
    Messages:
    758
    Likes Received:
    112
    I know the feeling I chickened out on the chilli red and went with a safe choice. Now that I have seen them they are awesome. Oh well :)
     
  14. Dr Jeep

    Dr Jeep Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2015
    Messages:
    530
    Likes Received:
    169
    Same here I chickened out of the red because it looked a bit lipstick red in the mockup photos and the slate gray and white looked a bit less like a toy. Now I have seen photos of the red and black I would probably have gone for that. But hey this is a tool and I am not going to obsess about the colour any more than I do with screwdriver handles......it'll look great regardless.
     
  15. Mike Kelly

    Mike Kelly Volunteer

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2014
    Messages:
    444
    Likes Received:
    89
    Nope they still only have the 8.2"x8.2" heater. Even then the max volume is 220x254x210mm.

    I communicate with them quite a bit. I've been trying to convince them to get a bigger heater but "they're worried the power supply can't handle it" when they have 150W spare. They also removed the heater dimensions.

    The autoleveling is adequate, but they do some tricks to make it seem better, like a really fat first layer. Run G29 a bunch of time and you'll see a large swing in the values each time, also know as a lack of precision. I can make it work well enough, but the number of users who struggle with it is staggering. I can't count the number of "my extruder is printing in the air" and "my nozzle is digging into the bed" even when it was "just working yesterday"
     
  16. TstarkEngineering

    TstarkEngineering Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2016
    Messages:
    450
    Likes Received:
    120
    Ya I hear about this a lot as well, I was initially swaying towards an R2 myself as it looks promising, but after I found out that e3d was coming out with a printer I jumped on that. It seems like everyone with an R1 wants to, or does take a e3d v6 and mod their robo to fit it, why not just start with an e3d from the start :) Bigbox ftw

     
    mike01hu likes this.
  17. Mike Kelly

    Mike Kelly Volunteer

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2014
    Messages:
    444
    Likes Received:
    89
    Robo looked at using an E3D briefly but decided the Hexagon was a more affordable option for them. I think the number of people upgrading to the v6 has dropped off, but barnacules still has that really old video that to this day convinced people they need to upgrade to a v6. Which usually just causes more headaches because people don't know the basics to troubleshoot it when the mess something up.

    I'm not sold on the R2, especially since they "announced" the R2 in the beginning of 2015 for "August" delivery. Well now they have a totally new design and they post these incomplete renders that really makes me question just how close to production they actually are. Even then it's based on the Ultimaker 2 mechanics, which I'm sure there's a reason the Ultimaker does not have a motor on the gantry.
     
  18. TstarkEngineering

    TstarkEngineering Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2016
    Messages:
    450
    Likes Received:
    120
    Ya Robo's response to the R2 was June when I asked, and even at that it didn't seem promising. Especially since its been like 2 years. I still like the features and the look of the machine, and it seemed like a good price point. However, it may still end up being 2017 and who knows what the machine will really be like.
     
  19. Chase.Wichert

    Chase.Wichert Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2016
    Messages:
    774
    Likes Received:
    207
    Or if your dog steps on the top piece, you know the one in the build manual that is shown broken if you use a hammer... Ughhh
     
  20. Stigern

    Stigern Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2015
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    7
    I went with plywood, it has treated me well on my Creator from Flashforge :)
     

Share This Page