Random Reduced Extrusion/Jamming

Discussion in 'E3D-v6 and Lite6' started by Jonathan Atkinson, Dec 11, 2018.

  1. Jonathan Atkinson

    Jonathan Atkinson New Member

    Dec 11, 2018
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    Hello all!

    I'm sure this has been mentioned a number of times, but reading through some of these didn't seem to EXACTLY hit the mark on what I was dealing with, so I figured it might not be a bad idea to share my issue.

    I was running my printer (Rostock Max V2 with e3d v6 extruder, several other upgrades) for the better part of a week getting some prints ready for a convention coming up. I was printing duplicate pieces that took 11 hours each, so every 11 hours the printer would stop, I'd pull the finished prints off, clean the bed a little, apply adhesive to bed, then start the next print. Rinse and repeat! I went through two rolls of clear filament (solutech clear filament, 1.75mm) with no issue and was starting the third roll when I started to notice a decline in print quality. The pieces were starting to show reduced flow on several layers, thinning, general weak layer adhesion. I stopped my printer and inspected the hot end after it had cooled enough to handle. Eventually, I disassembled the hot end and inspected everywhere that the filament travels once it leaves the PTFE (which I also inspected. It's a flat end, uncut, going right up to the heat break.) and cleaned it. Even took one of those nozzle drills (.4mm) and cleared the nozzle tip, just to be sure there wasn't anything in there. I could see all the way through it and saw no blockages so I thought that maybe whatever I cleaned out of it might have been the problem. Put it all back together, heated it up, fed some filament through it: it worked! Awesome! Started a new print, and went away for an hour.

    Came back and the same issue returned! The last 20-30 layers were whispy and almost like they were being laid down through a clogged nozzle again. Stopped the print and walked away. I was defeated for the day.

    I plan on inspecting it some more tonight to see what the problem could be, but I'm reaching out for ANY feedback from the community. This started to creep up slowly over the course of about... 150 meters of filament but before that had no problem so I would be hard pressed to think it is anything north of the hot end (extruder is fine, pushes filament with ease. PTFE has minimal excess length to reduce buckling/springing inside the tube, filament is not binding, etc...). Just as a backup, I've ordered three replacement nozzles so I can have some spares and perhaps hopefully that will solve the problem. If that ends up being the case: Could it be that my filament is just really low quality and slowly bogged down the nozzle?

    Thanks in advance for your feedback all, it's greatly appreciated!

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  2. mhe

    mhe Well-Known Member

    Sep 5, 2015
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    I had that problem occur to an extreme level at some point. What helped me was cleaning the hobbed gear that grips the filament, using fresh filament (turned out the stuff I used has gotten humid - it was summer and I live next to a river that the sun shines on to all day) and depending on how old your V6 is, cutting a taper onto the PTFE on the side where it enters the heat break might help.

    The problem with the taper was that if the PTFE liner was cut off straight, there was a little "dead area" as the touching point was the outside edge of the PTFE liner to the taper of the heat brake. That dead spot would clog up, especially during retracts, and create friction that would lead to irregularities in the filament being pushed through. The clogging was exacerbated by my PTFE liner not being held in as tightly as possible and it would move up during retracts - be sure to lift up the retainer ring as far as possible after inserting the PTFE liner and probably also secure it with locking ring (E3D started selling these for a reason I guess).

    Looking at the mechanical drawings, the taper on the current version of the heat breaks is smaller than in the older versions (the older versions were tapered to the full inner diameter of the heat break iirc), so it might be worth comparing your particular heat break with the ones in the current version drawing: https://e3d-online.dozuki.com/Document/I2woGboCqjNEBkIx/.pdf

    My problem got this bad back then:
  3. Antoine

    Antoine Well-Known Member
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    Apr 3, 2017
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    Investigate the extruder side as well as the hotend, as this is often the main reason for underextrusion when the hotend is clean. We would be very interested if you manage to find more information on this issue. We have not had this happen to us before but if it does seem to follow a trend then we will have a look at it deeper. Feel free to also send your findings to support@e3d-online.com as it will be easier for us to work from than the forum.

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